User talk:Elliott Fullmer

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Hi, Elliott, thanks for your note. Sheldon Rampton and I were doing a sort of orientation session today in preparation for a project we are doing with CMD. So the editing change to the broadband page was not meant to be pedantic, rather, experimental.

Beau Brendler, Director Consumer Reports WebWatch

Hi Elliott!

just wanted to say welcome. I am the Associate Director of CMD and work in Madison, We're glad to have you on board!

--Judith Siers-Poisson 11:52, 5 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Hi Elliot, Hi welcome aboard. If you ever have a query and Conor's not around post a note to my talk page and there's a chance I'll be around. cheers --Bob Burton 19:25, 7 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Hello ... Sorry that my first words with you are to quibble over writing style, but I see that you changed Associated Press to Associated Press in the Bob Ney article. The Associated Press is a wire agency and is not a publication. As the Wikinews Style guide ("Citing syndicated (wire agency) content") explains, the feed is provided by the AP but the individual publication (that is newspaper) determines content. If there is no other author, than the AP can be the author; if an author is given, then the AP gets top billing but the publication, is, well, the publisher. For example:

Bob Jones, Associated Press (Boston Globe) ....

It's a fine point, I know. :o) Artificial Intelligence 17:45, 8 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Greetings, again, Elliot ... I just posted a link in the Katherine Harris article section and noticed that you had posted some links, including one referencing Yahoo! as the source. Unfortunately, the Yahoo! links tend to expire quickly, apparently due to their archive capacity (or not). I highly recommend that you do a search on titles or look in the News section of Google to locate a more-enduring link for articles. It saves a lot of time later either hunting down an active link or having to delete a whole reference as the link's title has changed. Associated Press articles frequently do this, as AP is only the wire service and media users can edit content and change title lines.

Just suggesting ... Artificial Intelligence 12:01, 30 Aug 2006 (EDT)

Elliott, thanks for the help and suggestions. I passed your feedback along to the man you'd want to speak to about a more coordinated relationship with whereIstand. You'll probably be hearing from him soon if you haven't already, his address is nick AT and his name, if you can believe it, is Nick. He's running the show over there, so feel free to contact him. --Esperanto 21:31, 10 November 2006 (EST)


Ideally, should we list the positions held by a politician or political candidate? Or is such content impertinent to this site? Is site only supposed to list campaign donations, interest group ratings etc?

AETA page

Hi Elliott, nice work on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act page. --Bob Burton 18:04, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Tom DeLay blog

Elliot, sorry if you already know this.

From Alternet:

Melissa McEwan, "Tom DeLay starts a blog", AlterNet, December 12, 2006

DeLay's blog started out allowing unmoderated comments. That would indicate a less than thorough internet knowledge, but it seems they quickly got an education, and deleted 111 comments, but one James Risser was quick and thoughtful enough to have archived them beforehand.

Note: the Alternet URL to Risser's post is incorrect. It can be found here:

original 111 comments to DeLays blog

From Countdown with Keith Olberman, december 11, 2006

And, a new portal in the blogosphere. Why it went online at 3:23 and offline at 4:38...
Meantime, Tom DeLay gets a blogosphere backhand when he seeks welcome on the Internets...
Speaking of comebacks, The Hammer has surfaced again, this time on the Internet with The former House majority leader was hoping his first blog would provide a forum for conservatives. Instead, it provided him with an unwelcome education. Mr. DeLay launched his project despite the fact that he does not seem to understand that one of the points of having a blog is to, well, blog.
MIKE BARNICLE, GUEST HOST: Do you get up first thing in the morning and start blogging away? Or how, what do you do?
FORMER MAJORITY LEADER TOM DELAY: Well, I‘m not a very good writer.
I have the ideas, and I have somebody else put the words together.
OLBERMANN: The ghost blogger must also be the individual responsible for checking the calendar. Mr. DeLay said on “HARDBALL" the blog started today. Actually it was yesterday. It‘s that pesky ghost blogger who must have also written DeLay‘s opening statement about why he started a blog, even though he‘s not blogging.
Quote, "I did not fully realize the impact or potential of the blogosphere until very recently, when Red State gave me the opportunity to post some of my observations in the wake of the recent midterm elections. The response I received was overwhelming, and I would like to again thank the fine people at that site. This experience brought me to the immediate realization that I needed to become more directly involved in the blogosphere," unquote.
And the so-called blogosphere got directly involved with him, thanks to his great idea to post unscreened comments. That experiment only lasted about 75 minutes before Mr. DeLay, or somebody, took the Web site down and deleted the 100-some comments, but not before one other sharp-eyed blogger saved them. Most are far too blue for us to repeat. We don‘t mean that in blue-versus-red. But we can quote a few, and now you tell it all (ph).
Quote, "You corrupt hypocrite, crawl back to the hole you came out of." And, "This is a joke, right?" And the winner for cynical wit, "Everyone already assumes bloggers are unemployed losers. Thanks for reinforcing that stereotype."

From Hardball with Chris Matthews' for Dec. 11

Video is available. This is maybe a direct link to the video page, but no guarantees, as a set cookie might also be required.

BARNICLE: Welcome back to HARDBALL. We‘re with former Texas congressman and House majority leader, Tom DeLay., right? Is that—is that the blog?
DELAY: That‘s new today. Yes. That‘s my blog that we came out with today. And we‘re very pleased with it. We‘re getting a lot of comments and a lot of hits on it.
BARNICLE: So, like, do you get up first thing in the morning and start blogging away? Or what do you do?
DELAY: Well, I‘m not a very good writer. I have the ideas, and I have somebody else put the words together. But yes, we‘re going to post a lot during the day. And we‘re going to respond to questions and comments.
And it‘s—the conservatives need to push back on communications, and we need to compete, instead of...
BARNICLE: You‘ve got to be kidding me.
BARNICLE: I mean, look at—you‘ve got Rush Limbaugh out there.
DELAY: Oh, yes. Radio talk shows are great.
BARNICLE: You mean conservative bloggers?
DELAY: In any media. If there‘s a blogosphere, we are sorely lacking in enough conservative bloggers to offset the liberal bloggers that are there. And I want to set—be a role model that the leaders ought to have their own blog, and they ought to talk to people around the country on these blogs.
BARNICLE: So do you have contributors to your blog lined up? I mean, other conservatives, other members of Congress or...
DELAY: Not right now, but we do have a grass roots organization that we‘re saying if you agree with me and want to be an activist and be part of driving a conservative agenda, sign up.
BARNICLE: So I log on to, and I write you a question, you answer the question?
DELAY: That‘s right.
BARNICLE: Like I write, you know, “Do you—Tom, do you think you‘d ever run again for anything.” What would be your answer?
DELAY: Probably not. I don‘t know where my future leads me.
BARNICLE: Dear Tom, what do you think of your candidates in ‘08? Do you think Romney has a chance? Will his being a Mormon hurt him? What do you...
DELAY: I think we need a good solid conservative, and I‘m not sure we know who that is yet.
BARNICLE: What do you think of the Republican side of ‘08? McCain, Romney, probably a couple of others? Sam Brownback.
DELAY: I think they‘re all people that certainly can run in the Republicans, but I‘m looking for a good solid conservative to carry on the legacy of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.
BARNICLE: What is a good solid conservative? What‘s a good solid conservative?
DELAY: What‘s a good solid conservative?
DELAY: A person that believes in the Constitution and believes in the first principles of order, justice and freedom, that—that wants to completely change and redesign the government, that wants fundamental tax reform, that wants to fight the culture war, end abortion as we know it, that wants to hold the judiciary accountable.
BARNICLE: With only a couple of exceptions, I mean, you just described Barack Obama.
DELAY: No. Barack—you‘re going to learn who the real Barack Obama is.
BARNICLE: Thanks very much, Tom DeLay.

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cc: Conor Kenny, Elliott Fullmer, Artificial intelligence

Troop Surge

Elliott, there is an established article on the troop surge: McCain doctrine with existing redirects entitled Troop surge in Iraq, Troop increase in Iraq, Escalation in Iraq, McCain-Lieberman doctrine, and Bush-McCain doctrine.

Apparently these were insufficient. Artificial Intelligence 15:34, 22 January 2007 (EST)


Hi Elliot, I posted a brief note for you at Cheers --Bob Burton 16:33, 26 February 2007 (EST)

2007 Gun Control Legislation

Thanks for the work on Assault_Weapons_Ban_and_Law_Enforcement_Protection_Act_of_2007. Here are the two others:

--Beth Wellington 00:05, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for fixing up those two additional articles. Here's a fouth piece of legislation:

There's also been news coverage of this, but am working on an article for llrx. Hope this bit helps.--Beth Wellington 15:37, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

added additional pieces of legislation. there are other pieces of legislation that are ant-gun contol. To research them, see [1]. I also added a category for U.S. domestic violence legislation. See Thomas[2] --Beth Wellington 05:25, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

1993 legislation

I added the Brady bill but it needs an article (see the red link on Schumer's page--Beth Wellington 08:14, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

1994 legislation

I added the assault gun ban, but it need an article at Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act including its failure to pass in 2004. This would link to the 2007 legislaton S. 77--Beth Wellington 10:22, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for creating the article! I'm swamped until after the first of the month, as I just got back from DC and now I'm in the midst of moving back to Blacksburg.--Beth Wellington 22:42, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

references neutered


I object to the removal to the references to StealthPAC and the description of how AIPAC works on the Hill. AIPAC directs several hundred PACs to direct their funding effort, and the Hilliard-McKinney election manipulation were a classical case. I also entered the name of the AIPAC operative conducting the funding on behalf of Davis (info provided by JJ Goldberg)... all expunged with no explanation.

Somehow all relatively descriptive/critical comments are neutered. However, what I am really surprised with is the fact that all references to Israel, AIPAC, and the stranglehold the lobby has over Congress DO NOT APPEAR in SW*. One can enter a reference to it, and little by little it gets chipped away. AIPAC and the Lobby are the elephant in the living room, yet from reading 99% of the entries in CP one would think that it hardly existed at all. Paul Findley stated that Congress was Israeli-occupied territory... well, what do the entries of SW have to say about that... NOTHING.

So what is the point of having these silly biographical entries without any critical input... In my opinion: next to nil -- one might as well read the offical biographies in the congressperson's website.

What is wrong with entering the photo directly from another official website (Israeli embassy)?

Kind rgds Antidotto

better but...

Hi Elliot;

I think it is better, and am sort of happy with it. However, note that Ben White didnt write for electronicIntifada ("in an article for the Electronic Intifada, "a not-for-profit, independent publication committed to comprehensive public education on the question of Palestine, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the economic, political, legal, and human dimensions of Israel's 39-year occupation of Palestinian territories")... Ben wrote the article for the media center he works for in Bethlehem, and it just so happens that eIntifada reposted it. Most of the articles that appear on eIntifada are actually ported from the web. So it isnt correct to add the proviso...

And why all these proviso... if one enters a link to the article, then one can make up one's mind about the nature of a website. And eIntifada is an important and honorable website run by Ali Abunimah, Nigel Perry, Laurie King-Irani... It is not exactly fitting to put a huge safety label on it.

Kind rgds Antidotto


Hi Elliot;

i removed the LONG descriptor of electronic intifada... Reason: Ben White posts his articles on his own website and the media center (where he works) website --- he didnt write the article FOR electronic intifada. And why the long description? Do you do that for all the references you encounter? Clearly no.

Kind rgds Antidotto

SW: Links to articles which don't exist yet

Hi Elliott, I notice that when you edited my work on the Christopher John Dodd article, you dewikified (unlinked) the mention of Amos Hochstein. Just a note to say that names should still be given as links, even if the article has not been created yet. This is to encourage people to go ahead and create that article (by clicking the link). From the SourceWatch manual of style: "Links that follow the SourceWatch naming conventions are much more likely to lead to existing articles, and, if there is not yet an article about that subject, will make the creation of a correctly-named article much easier for later writers." Regards, --Neoconned 07:54, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

You want to add some links

Hi Elliot, Beth W started this one yesterday - I did some minor tweaking but think you know the standard set of US legilsation links and tags you use on CP pages. --Bob Burton 17:23, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for the help

Hi Elliott!

I just wanted to say thanks for the welcome you posted to my talk page and your most recent help in creating the redirected page for Ron Paul's newly proposed, Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act of 2007. -- Gospelnous 10:58, 21 June 2007 (EDT)


Hey Elliott, another editor left a msg for me on my discussion page about some extra "how a bill becomes law pages". Essentially some of these are double redirects, and whatnot. I changed a few of these (to single redirects), but was curious if you'd rather delete the extra pages instead? I'd be more than happy to do this pro-bono.


CPI issue portals "spectrum and dtv"

Hey Elliott, One of The Center for Public Integrity researchers for the telecom issue portals here. Still getting accustomed to the way of the wiki. I saw your greeting on my discussion board and just wanted to say hi. I was a little confused to by the reference to edits on the student aid page. I've never visited that page, nor edited it. Anyway, I'm plugging away on my two pages -- which are already getting edits. I just wanted to ask whether it was cool that I organize these edits as I see fit -- just until our launch. Obviously, I'm still working on finalizing the information and structure of the articles. Regards,

-- Brendan McGarry June 27, 2007