Talk:Vets for Freedom

Contents

• Revision
  • Military Status
  • Not So "Non-Partisan"
  • Virginia Political Campaigns 2005
• Questions
  • Hometown News Releases
  • Pacific Ethanol
• Response: TruthAbove
  • Concession: You May Be Right
  • Possibilities
• SwiftVets Similarity
• Website mirrored
• VFF Website Mirrored

Revision

Military Status

Relocated to main Wade Zirkle page.

Not So "Non-Partisan"

Caution: This information is still somewhat speculative in nature, although likely accurate. Also, a connection between Zirkle and Jones would be helpful.

William W. (Wade Denman) Zirkle may also be the same William Zirkle of Edinburgh, VA, which a Federal Election Commission receipt dated October 21, 2004, shows contributing $2000 to California Republican candidate "Bill Jones for U.S. Senate". On the receipt, William Zirkle gave his occupation as "Military Officer."

Three days earlier, on October 18, 2004, Jones received another $2000 contribution from a "William Denman Zirkle" residing at the same address in Edinburg, VA, although this receipt lists his Occupation as President of Shenandoah Valley Holdings LLC.

On October 19, 2004, the "Jones Senate Victory Committee" received an additional $10,000 contribution from "W. Denman Zirkle" of the same Edinburg, Virginia, address. No employment information is noted on this receipt.

These records all post-date Zirkle's injuries sustained in Iraq on Labor Day 2004. Athough Zirkle's address stated for contributions is Virginia, and Jones was a California candidate, it could be explained by the fact that Zirkle's unit was stationed out of Camp Pendleton in California and Zirkle's home of record is Virginia.

Virginia Political Campaigns 2005

Relocated to Main Wade Zirkle page.

Questions

Hometown News Releases

Where are the hometown news releases on Zirkle's time in Iraq? College entry? Original military commission?

Pacific Ethanol

This needs some more research.

Additionally, searching under the names "William Zirkle" and "William Denman Zirkle" turns up yet more interesting information. SEC filings reveal that W. Denman Zirkle owns 126,666 shares of the company Pacific Ethanol, Inc. Meanwhile, William Wade Zirkle owns a much smaller 16,666 shares of the company. [1]

Response: TruthAbove

His name is William Zirkle [2]. It is harder to tie Denman to him than William. There is not reason he cannot be William Denman "Wade" Zirkle. Though, I believe most probably is William Wade Zirkle. See edgar filing.

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Actually, this source helps a lot. What you are citing is a long list of officers that the Marines don't want to lose at the end of their enlistment, so they offer them a promotion in exchange for reenlisting. More over, this is the same zirkle. Look at the paul zahn interview, specifically the part about Lance Corp. Benjamin Gonzalez and the grenade. Then compare it to this article in the Marine Times.[3] I think that it is safe to say that the VFF Exec Dir is named William Wade Zirkle. Based on the various combination of the source you just found, fec records, the marines times article and so forth. --TruthAbove 17:44, 12 Jun 2006 (EDT)

P.S. Interesting addition is that, if I am correct in my assessment of the document you show in your PS, it would indicated that Zirkle was given the option of going back to Iraq, like he says every soldier there wants to, and he choose not to. Though this does not take into account his wound and makes the assumption the Marines would only invite him if he were healthy. And a small point, but just something worth noting.

Concession: You May Be Right

When using the search criteria Zirkle, USMC I had come across the following articles, including So ...

• This raises bigger issues, which you pointed out ... And indicates that Zirkle accepted the Reserve Officer promo to Captain, as he is referred to by that title in April 2006 article (event took place in March), and we know now that he was on the promo list and took the promotion, as outlined below. This is the same William W. Zirkle, as the last four SSNs used to identify him are all 3244.

• Zirkle was injured Labor Day 2004 ... which means he was in rehab until the VA political campaigns in 2005, when he comes into contact with Creative Response Concepts and Campaign Solutions, with whom he subsequently goes into partnership to create Vets for Freedom. Wow! What A Sell-Out!!!

• I will dig some more and piece some of this together and post it here in talk later and we can work the section out here in talk before posting to the main Vets and Zirkle articles. Ok?

• Also have not found any documents stating that he is no longer on the Reserve Active list. Artificial Intelligence 06:27, 13 Jun 2006 (EDT)

• Couple of things:

a. "Concession: You May Be Right" - None of this is a concession. Everything here is a work in progress, your critique of my additions and mine of yours led us to where we are now, which is a much better place than we were a day or two ago. This is more of a brainstorm, and putting as much information down as possible whether it helps or hurts our current positions and assumption will help us get to the bottom of all this.

b. As to his rank, I'm not entirely sure if he accepted the promo. Though the article in April 2006 would indicate he did accept it; it could be a mistake or confusion. Part of what the ORB does is promt people and so they automatically get the title, but the only keep it if they say in the military. So he might have had the position for a week or two. But this is merely speculation of an explanation to the confusion.

c. sounds good re: posting here first. I'll do that.

--TruthAbove 00:23, 14 Jun 2006 (EDT)

Possibilities

W. Denman Zirkle may be Wade Denman Zirkle, but it could also be William Denman Zirkle ... will do some more genealogical sleuthing. Artificial Intelligence 11:15, 12 Jun 2006 (EDT)

• W. Denman Zirkle: "Graduate, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, U.S. Army Reserve. Most recently chief executive officer of Carret and Company, a New York-based advisory firm sold in 2004. Previously affiliated with Lynch & Mayer, Inc. as senior vice president of marketing and Franklin Templeton Investments as executive vice president. Trustee of Randolph-Macon Woman's College." [4]

• W. Denman Zirkle, WG’62, was named CEO of Carret and Company, Inc. (Newswire, 6/3/02) Wharton Alumni [5]

• "Wade" is definitely a family name with the Zirkle family. [6]

• "Denman Zirkle" was $1,000 fundraiser with Kigore's campaign. [7]

SwiftVets Similarity

The following was misplaced, as the section is about fundraising. The point of the following entry needs clarification, as it seems to be incomplete.

Evidently, the similarities between Vets for Freedom and swift boat veterans for truth are so great that that, on his democracy-project.com website, Bruce Kesler, who worked with John O'Neill on both SBVT and the 1970's "pro-mission" organization Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace (of which Kesler was the founder). [8]

Please do a brief comparison (mission, intent, etc.) of Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace with Vets for Freedom, as your point is well taken but deserves a section of its own. Artificial Intelligence 10:58, 12 Jun 2006 (EDT)

VFF Website Mirrored

The Vets for Freedom website is mirrored at the campaign solutions website, thus adding yet another connection to the company.