Portal Talk:Superdelegate Transparency Project

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What are we doing for caucus state vote totals?

We need to find a way to track donations from the candidates to the campaign funds of supers. What is the best way to present this data? On the individual state tables or as one table showing all such donations? See this link for reference.


Please share your thoughts --Markometer

SW: Senators agreeing with voters

I posed this question to Avelino & it was suggested to re-post here for brainstorming:

How should we count Senators (assuming 2 Dems for a state) in terms of Agreeing with voters? If the total delegates for a state were split 55/38, should both count as Candidate One? Should the Senators split: 1 for Candidate One & 1 for Candidate Two?

Any thoughts? --Xscinx 09:53, 15 February 2008 (EST)

This is a good question and I've been tossing it over in my brain as I've been working today. I think we simply go with the statewide winner. In some ways its an inaccurate way to look at it; but keep in mind that this is a visibility project. The data will be available to others and they can cut the data however they wish. So I think te best way to do it is simply Yes or No against the statewide total. --Mark M 06:55, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Why not tally the following for each state:

  • How superdelegates other than House members would be distributed if it were proportional based upon the popular vote. E.g., if state X has 30 superdelegates (other than House members) and the percent split was 56 A / 44 B, then the proportional (or "fair") split would be 17 A / 13 B, or net +4 for A.
  • How the actual distribution of the number of superdelegates other than House members falls out. E.g., in state X it might be 10 A / 8 B / 12 Unannounced
  • How the "fair" split compares to the "actual" split. E.g. A is net -7 and B is net -5. So the "net net" result is that A is down 2. This could be useful for unannounced superdelegates who feel that they should in some sense collectively represent the will of the voters of their state.

--Schneidg 22:58, 6 March 2008 (EST)

SW: Tallying SD counts for Congresspeople

I have been using a "+1" tag to denote Superdelegates relative to contests that have already completed. E.g. if Obama wins a Congressional district with 4 pledged delegates and the Congressperson endores him, I have been entered 4 +1 in the Pledge Obama column. Please check out Massachusetts to see what I mean.

Does this agree with everyone? Is it easier to tally using this method? --Xscinx 14:40, 28 February 2008 (EST)

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