Talk:Iraq the road to war

I haven't had a chance to read through this article, but it seems to me that it ought to be given some title other than "Iraq War," since in fact it provides an interpretation of factors related to the war rather than being an article about the war itself. Also, please try to provide some supporting evidence (e.g., citations) for the assertions made in the article. --Sheldon Rampton 14:16, 8 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Please Read Montoya

We all have our blind sides, even Montoya. I MEAN ESPECIALLY MONTOYA -M

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I have to agree with Sheldon, particuarly now that Montoya made significant revisions, many of which seem just rather arbritary, editing out huge swaths of things, and then inserting you're name at the end, again, this isn't done. No one claims credit on articles written here. I'll overlook the revisions done this weekend sometime and weed through them.

User:SiberioS

The Iraq war motives and genesis were [and are] far-reaching and exceedingly complex. Based upon the history and progress of the conflict, this work remains remarkably current. The largest missing piece relates to the Hashemites and political evolution, but hopefully that will be the subject of a future article!

Indeed this paper could be called anything else -- but it ultimately relates to the war in Iraq, its genesis and progress. I agree that certain strands do not tie well together, but it is certainly not a collection of random thoughts. If you do manage to read the entire article I would be interested in feedback on where it lacks cogency and particular items of contention. We all have our blind sides, even Montoya. ;)

One issue here is the need to focus on narrow subject lines for the wiki format, when the entire picture is related -- something like a gigantic puzzle. Remove any one piece of the puzzle and the overall picture may still be understood, however it appears woefully incomplete. If the author wants to rely on the reader to click links, then the article becomes fragmented and may not be understood at all.

Rather than striving for perfection, the wiki seems a great format with which to shed light, and that is the sole intention of this article,

Because there is plenty of darkness out there, believe me... :(

thanks for being polite

just keep remembering please that some of us have been in a place like this before, and i suspect Montoya is one who has. christ, the antiwar has begun to burn into me, and i never wished for this, the last time it had to approach society's dissolution to wake people up, and it inpinges upon my very sanity. I think that vice-admiral church's unwillingness to speak with honour or the truth is another big step for me. i really expected more from the pentagon this time around, i am an idiot, and they are fools who did not learn from history.

it is not permissible to sodomise POWs in my god damn country, they are effing human beings, and this was a top-down policy of dehumanising the enemy. The finger points into the whitehouse and at the Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Feith civie trilogy in the pentagon.

and there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that i hold the high ground, and that there must be repercussion for the cowardly antiAmerican UnChristianike inHumane criminal behaviour by our politicians. truth will win, but at what cost? it will be, at whatever the cost.

we are supposed to fight the good fight, venerate fallen friend and foe, and always treat captives with humanity. the Bush admin weaseled, and have injured the dreamtime of America. I now help will the movement into being. It is not a conspriracy, just a knowledge of what others are feeling inside, and knowing that they are being forced into standing, one at a time in protest just as i am now forced. There can be no other way on this. and it is tearing into me. in ways i do not understand. really, i just wanted to become the scoundrel who with cute little old widows was the subject of scandalous retirement community gossip.

this wasn't planned, i don't know if i can spin it into fun and adventures. again, thanks for being nice with Montoya.

will peace --Hugh Manatee 03:46, 18 Mar 2005 (EST)

'Montoya' is not the name of a real person but a concept. 'Montoya' was a CIA operative named Charles Rogers (Montoya was his code name) and very little is known about his activities, except that he was a far-right wing extremist who served in Vietnam as an 'advisor' and CIA operative, and was involved in the assassination of JFK. Rogers (Montoya) was one of three tramps arrested near Dealey Plaza on the day of the Kennedy assassination. 'Montoya' murdered his parents, ostensibly when his mother discovered his involvement in the Kennedy assassination. Montoya fled to Cental America in a light aircraft in 1964, never to be seen or heard from again. There are only two genuine photos of Montoya known to exist, one from his military enlistment record, the other taken in Vietnam. So how does 'Montoya' relate to the Bush's Iraq war? Montoya is not a person but a symbol of heinous political conspiracy; imagine a mad political plot which resulted in thousands of deaths when carried out. 'Montoya' is inextricably linked to conspiracies such as Hitler's reich, 911, Iran contra, the war in El Salvador, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and Bush's war in Iraq. So long as the public refuses to accept the existence of 'Montoya' he will remain as described: whereabouts unknown, history unknown, future unknown, presumed dead, wreaking havoc - this is Montoya. But others may call him the devil himself.

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Hey I guess three years later and with 2600+ US dead, even SiberioS and the manatee have given up the ghost of Christmas past... and more especially xmas future - M

Well my friends, here we are three years since this article was first posted. Nearing the end of 2006, but with no end in sight. In fact we are now staring at the abyss. As our increasingly worthless House on the Borderland teeters at the brink of the virtual pit that consumes all non-sustaining virtual imperialists... 112KB of virtual words from the virtual pit and 10K virtual page views conjures up the real spirits of thousands of real dead, with many thousands more to really die by the real sword of Damocles, from the hair of a murderous group of imposters who seized power in 2001. And whatever passes for your God, he or she questioned your sanity eons ago, when Cain and his club (in the devil's mud) were mistaken for Hercules. So will you ever wake up? I don't think so. -M